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Youssef: 'I prefer satire with absolutely no borders'

Egyptian Satirist Bassem Youssef talked to DW about freedom of speech and how satire can reach enough people to make a difference.

DW: Mr. Youssef, you're also a doctor. If we look at the Arab world and we see it as a patient, is it a healthy patient or is it hurting?

Bassem Youssef: It is a patient that has been plagued with diseases for the past few decades. This is because of dictatorships, of social pressures, of conservatism that stand in the way of liberating ideas and minds. I think it is a phase that we will surpass, like every single country in the world that had problems like this - even Europe, which is now considered the beacon of freedom. It's had that a difficult time and not very long ago, just in the past century. I am hopeful and I think we will surpass this phase very soon.

So you think the Arab Spring was not in vain?

No. I always say revolution is not an event, it's a process. A process that takes time. And you cannot heal the illnesses of 60 or 70 years of dictatorships in 18 days.

You're from Egypt yourself. How do you view the situation in Egypt regarding the freedom of expression under President al-Sisi?

Have you read "1984" by George Orwell? It is basically a George Orwellian fantasy - but it's not even well written. At least "1984" was poetically written.

Regarding freedom of expression, what role does satire play for you?

I think that satire is a great way to bring people together to speak about freedom of expression. It is more palatable for many people to listen to you that way. People might not listen to a serious, boring, political talk, but they will listen to satire. They will listen to comedy because it brings them together.

Do you think satire has borders?

No, I prefer satire with absolutely no borders. I think there are no borders in satire, there are borders in the minds of people.

You had to leave your country. Is satire helping you to cope with that?

I'm doing a different show now in the United States, using satire in a different country, different language, different context. To start all over again at the age of 42 is a challenge and I'm happy to go through this challenge.

Would you like to go back to Egypt? Do you miss it?

Well, of course. Who doesn't want to go back to his country? But I think it would be a little bit risky.

Are you still able somehow to use your influence in Egypt to change Orwell's country toward something that you want it to be?

Satire does not change anything. Satire brings more people to the table to discuss certain topics that might not be available for serious discussion. It's the people who actually change the conversation. Satire is a catalyst.

Bassem Youssef is an Egyptian satirist and former columnist. He cancelled his weekly satirical TV show, which was also broadcast on DW, in 2014 when the pressure from the Egyptian regime became too much and he had to fear for his safety. Before his TV career, Youssef was a cardiac surgeon.

The interview was conducted by Nicolas Martin.